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I think this album is shit, not as shit as M2M but still shit.
Mike's tracks sound like Fort Minor throwbacks and Chester's tracks are M2M'esq and wtf is with all the skits and interludes??
imo there are only two, maybe three tracks worth listening too - "Burning the Skies" and "Blackout"
Don't tell me I aint a "true fan" just because I have an opinion and I aint on LP's dick.
I do support the band (Ive seen them live numerous times) and I understand they need to grow and experiment and blah blah blah but half of you act like you would still kiss their ass if they released an album full of nursery rhymes!?
at the end of the day, its about the music and what you get from it.
have an opinion and stop being dick riding fanboys.
My two pennies
I'm sorry, where did you pull those figures from, your butt?
Because I don't see 97% of people on this forum complaining, I only see about 20%.
Dominique Decourt said:It's not just the album that sounds terrible, it's the past 2 albums that have steadily gone from slightly bad, to bad, to just plain awful. A lot of people aren't just basing their dislike for the band on one album (because the last 2 sure haven't given anything memorable) , they're saying that this is the album that finally killed it for them. Now if you think it's sounds great then that's your opinion and your entitled to it, but I'm sure 97% of LP fans agree that this album is their worst.
Well I'm an artist myself. Sure I've had people not liking my work, but I don't take their views negatively. I spend months on some of my work, though if someone criticises it I don't get offended. Why should I? They don't have the same brain as me with the same thought processes!!! Most of the work I do is of my own visions and you know actually I criticise myself A LOT, I'm my own evil, thinking that the last work wasn't good enough and I can do better. The same applies to chefs who love creating new dishes, it applies to fashion designers who want to set a trend next season. Sometimes what that critic sees is what I've missed, then it makes me want to do something else next time. Furthermore, these musicians are trying to make a profit out their work. Therefore your own opinion is NEVER the only opinion. If your customers have disagreed with you this time you have to be cautious they won't abandon you the next time you release a product. I fully appreciate LP's efforts to try something new, but I feel on this album, Chris, they didn't do it as well as I'd hoped for. Their talents go beyond what most musicians do and this time I feel they rushed some areas and a few tracks lack clarity. I know some people I've spoken to would agree with that, hence why they've claimed to have given up on LP. Though I understand not everyone is going to perceive it the same way.....I wouldn't be reading all the messages on here, plus on music sites, and re-evaluting my own opinion if I thought otherwise.
After reading through this thread, I thought I'd offer a critical analysis of why I have an issue with this album and my theory as to why it was made the way it was. Keep in mind that (in general) I AM NOT STATING FACTS, JUST OBSERVATIONS.
I'll state from the beginning that I'm no hardcore fan. I think this makes my view interesting though because I'm trying to be as non-partisan as possible. I LOVED Meteora as a kid and still have strong feelings for it, and I enjoy Hybrid Theory. MTM I wasn't super wowed with for several reasons, mostly being the ballad-heavy approach. It reeked of an attempt to sell albums and didn't feel genuine to me.
It may look on the surface that I'm just a ranting fan that only likes heavy music but that isn't the case. I listen to a broad spectrum of rock/metal/industrial/etc. I love a good slow song/ballad and it makes sense to write these songs. Even artists like Slipknot go soft once and awhile, it's evidence of a more complete artist. As artists get older they can tend to lose some of that testosterone-filled angst they take towards writing music; they become more methodical and emotionally evolved when expressing themselves. ALL THAT BEING SAID, here's my opinion.
I (generally) cannot stand the use of 8-bit. I feel that it's nothing but a fad, the new auto-tune. I'd be surprised to see it accepted popularly in six years, if that. I'm very disappointed in all of the 8-bit being used here. I listened to too many songs where they stripped guitar away for electronic beats and it doesn't work for me. They went too far out on a limb in trying something new. I feel that was something that made them so powerful in their early days; the effective use of guitar.
The album doesn't feel like a group effort; it feels like Shinoda, Bennington, and Hahn and session insturmentalists. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's not great, either. The "concept" of the album isn't terribly original nor does it generate new ideas or thoughts. The songs aren't horribly written or anything, they're just not enticing for me. Linkin Park aren't using unconventional song structures or anything like that, just 8-bit, electronica and much less guitar, bass, and live drumming. It feels like a club CD and I don't have much interest in any of their new elements. They come off as no longer having an edge.
MY theory on why this album was made the way it was:
-LP are so massively successful as commercial artists, they could take this risk and people would still go out in hordes to buy it. I'm pretty sure they felt so confident that people would buy anything they make just because it's something that LINKIN PARK put out. I think they tried to do too much in being different. What's sad to me is that they'll continue to be commercially successful regardless because this type of music is becoming fad. It's not necessarily the BEST music that they could be making, but it's what seems to be in demand.
-I'd have liked to see LP evolve similar to the way the Deftones have evolved over their career. Granted their careers started in different times with different tastes, but a similar style of growth is what I'd have liked to see. Deftones had two HARD hitting albums to start with, then added Frank Delgado on turntables and went in a new direction with White Pony, their most successful album commercially. From their they've found ways to go new places in their music, slowly reinventing themselves each time while still maintaining that signature Deftones sound.
-LP won't follow a Deftones-type pattern because it doesn't sell as many records. The Deftones are never and will never be commercial blockbusters. They aren't all that radio friendly. Casual/fringe listeners typically aren't drawn in by them. These are all things LP has made apparent POST-METEORA that they care about: Sales (CD's, Merch), radio play, and capturing fans that are into pop music.
-Okay release on its own, but being that it's from Linkin Park, I can't help but feel very disappointed that they'd sell this like it was another album, despite even going so far as to say it isn't an album. If they truly wanted to experiment and go new places with their music then they could have gone a route similar to the route NIN went when they released Ghosts I-IV.
-Needed to tone down the 8-bit a lot. This album will sell well but I think it's become evident that a good chunk of fans are very put off at this deviation from their origins. They could have still done their "8-bit revolution" and whatnot on the album but a few more obvious guitar, bass, and live drum lines could have gone a long way in making the album more appealing and satisfying to fans who wanted the traditional sound. Everyone who's heard the first two albums knows this band can bite. there are other ways to bite other than straight up aggression and they don't seem to have it nailed down yet. That "bite", that's what I like about the band. This album feels like nibbles, but no bites. IMO.
Now start flaming my ass for any reason you want. It's okay to like the album, I'm just stating what I feel and see. But if you're too irrational to understand that then you have problems that extend beyond your distaste for me. :-D
I met linkin park in syracuse. I cried like a little girl. They signed my demo. It was one of the greatest moments of my life.
Phoenix was the only one that actually looked at me but it didnt matter. My heros had just signed my demo. My point is, i am somewhat of a DUH DUH DUH.....FANBOY and i will be the first to admit that i do not like the new album. I think its too experimental and far too sample driven. Here's the kicker though....WHO THE FUCK AM I??????? Will Linkin Park ever read this? Nope. Would Phoenix remember shaking my hand in syracuse? No again. Will I buy the next Linkin Park cd? You bet your ass I will. Want to know why? Because Linkin Park is my favorite band. Does it suck that I waited three years to hear a cd I dont care for? You bet. But guess what kids...all of the other songs that we know and love still exist. You cant hate a band for experimenting. You cant say that this is the end of them. Stop whining and pop in what you know you like. The band really doesnt need to cater to every ear with every song on every album. I think its funny to read things about who linkin park is as a band. How the fuck do you know? We like what they have done but how do we know that this new album isnt what they would have released HT to sound like had they not been bullied by record execs?
Point blank here it goes:
Thank you linkin park for making alot of great music.
I hope you make some more that i enjoy as much as your previous records.
Congrats on having the money and ability to make your latest record with 100% artistic freedom.
I hope you had fun.
Please dont break up.
I dont really care for dead by sunrise and fort minor is like lp with no chester.
Jimmy Page solo sucks.
Robert Plant solo sucks.
Led Zepellin is one of the g.o.a.t.s
So are you.
your pal, bobby g
p.s-this is the first post i have ever left on this site and it may be the last. I dont care if anyone responds. I just like the band. I think that "fans" feel like a band begins to owe them something after time because they buy a few cds. Linkin Park doesnt owe me shit. They have done enough for me already goddamnit.