i thought id take the time to sign up to LP after hearing the new album
i really dont wanna sound miserable or anything but man 
WTF?
LP bring out 2 kick ass albums 
catches the worlds attention then
starts releasing this? 
your letting down the true fans
the fans that have been with you since hybrid theory 
hoping to hear more of the old school LP we love
and instead get this....
i can respect the whole new direction 
i do.
but its not like your angry at the world anymore.
instead of the old school linkin park that would protest indirectly 
with full enthusiasm
you centre your songs around a point and then fail to re-inforce it 
it like your giving the whole world the "im disappointed in you lecture"

its not my place to tell the artist how to do their job right? 
they must be gaining thousands of fans every weeks.

but its just so god damn depressing to see this band
the band that changed the face of music forever 
to stop making the music i love, the music that inspires me.

I, like any true LP fan has purchased all of your albums legally 
and supported the band as much as any run of the mill fan can.

but thats the last album im gonna buy. lost faith in the LP 
and the music its making 

i honestly couldn't go to an LP GIG now cause id have to BOOO my way through 85% of the set list to hear a half decent fucking song.

if you ever agreed to maybe do .... a retro tour, playing stuff from mainly hybrid theory and meteora i would be the first fucking person in line, but again chances of that are slim to none. i would fly over to the USA if i had to, just to see that gig.

doubt anyone will read this
but at least i feel a little better knowing ive fronted my views 
not that they make much sense, just the ramblings from inside my head.
you guys were my heros
This is Soo ******* up
G


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I went to see Linkin Park at Manchester Arena last night. Like I've said before, I bought the tickets well in advance of the release of the album ATS. As you may have noticed I was not impressed with the new sound at all and went on a major ranting spree on the forums. I couldn't listen to the album more than once but after calming down and reading more opinions I decided to keep an open mind for the concert. After all, Linkin Park are one of my favourite bands, I've loved them for years, I should not get sooo pissy over one experimental album, right? So, after saying I might yet be converted, I took my arse to Manchester last night to watch one of the best live bands ever.

I tried listening to the album again on the way there but found I could only connect with a few of their songs and was still irritated by the rest of the album. Aside from that I couldn't help but wonder how the hell they were going to present some of their songs live? Their more upbeat songs would be easily appealing to a crowd but the rest I class more as 'fillers' than actual songs.

The support band named Do I Offend You did a short set...their music is not special in any way and left me wishing the night was over already. Then of course Linkin Park came on. Let me say, love and faith has been restored...not that it really ever left; I was just disspointed.

They were extremely clever with the set list and the stage was incredible. The band, as always, were sensational live. They did do a few of their new songs but as expected they were mainly more of the upbeat and more popular songs with the fans. The rest of the set was old songs from different albums considering they have quite an extensive list of songs to choose from. As suspected their new music did sound better live and probably converted every doubter in the audience that Linkin Park are as great as ever. It was nice to hear more softer vocals from Mike as well. I really do suggest to those fans who were like me, dissapointed with the new sound, to hear them do it live because you'll forget all about it.

Anyway, to everyone going to see them, you will not be dissapointed. Enjoy and hope the rest of the tour goes well for them.
My favourite album out of all of LP's stuff was actually a tie between M2M and Hybrid then Meteora then 1000s. BUT I LIKED 1000 SUNS DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION THEY ARE TAKING BUT ITS HARD TO PLEASE SO MANY LINKIN PARK FANS. IF U GUYS HAVENT REALIZED YET THEY ARE EXPERIMENTING DIFFERENT GENRES OF MUSIC AND THATS WHY I AM ABLE 2 FORGIVE ALBUMS LIKE 1000 SUNS. SAYING THAT THOUGH THERE WERE SOME GOOD SONGS LIKE IRIDESCENT, WRETCHES & KINGS, AND OTHERS HOWEVER EVERYONE FOR ME THE VERDICT IS!

IF UR MAD ABOUT 1K SUNS 4GIVE & 4GET AND BASE UR JUDGEMENT ON THE NEXT ALBUM!
PERSONALLY I HAVENT HATED A SINGLE LP SONG TO DATE MY LEAST LIKED SONGS ARE:

THE LIL THINGS GIVE U AWAY
A COUPLE OF SONGS OFF REANIMATION
BLACKOUT
THE MESSENGER
BLACKBIRDS


Pixie Ray said:
I went to see Linkin Park at Manchester Arena last night. Like I've said before, I bought the tickets well in advance of the release of the album ATS. As you may have noticed I was not impressed with the new sound at all and went on a major ranting spree on the forums. I couldn't listen to the album more than once but after calming down and reading more opinions I decided to keep an open mind for the concert. After all, Linkin Park are one of my favourite bands, I've loved them for years, I should not get sooo pissy over one experimental album, right? So, after saying I might yet be converted, I took my arse to Manchester last night to watch one of the best live bands ever.

I tried listening to the album again on the way there but found I could only connect with a few of their songs and was still irritated by the rest of the album. Aside from that I couldn't help but wonder how the hell they were going to present some of their songs live? Their more upbeat songs would be easily appealing to a crowd but the rest I class more as 'fillers' than actual songs.

The support band named Do I Offend You did a short set...their music is not special in any way and left me wishing the night was over already. Then of course Linkin Park came on. Let me say, love and faith has been restored...not that it really ever left; I was just disspointed.

They were extremely clever with the set list and the stage was incredible. The band, as always, were sensational live. They did do a few of their new songs but as expected they were mainly more of the upbeat and more popular songs with the fans. The rest of the set was old songs from different albums considering they have quite an extensive list of songs to choose from. As suspected their new music did sound better live and probably converted every doubter in the audience that Linkin Park are as great as ever. It was nice to hear more softer vocals from Mike as well. I really do suggest to those fans who were like me, dissapointed with the new sound, to hear them do it live because you'll forget all about it.

Anyway, to everyone going to see them, you will not be dissapointed. Enjoy and hope the rest of the tour goes well for them.

Thats great news dude im from canada hoping theyll come up here and I agree with u and LP does do a good job trying to satisfy everyone and p.s They have over 65 songs (not including intros like Journada, foreword, Wake, Requiem & radiance and empty spaces WJ & Love and Fallout) to choose from ;)
I TOTALLY agree with you. I spent a lot of money buying their stuff... I even bought the live in texas DVD. We, the true LP fans, don't deserve this new pop shit they're making. Hybrid theory and Meteora will always be my favourite albums.
Your sense of entitlement is amazing.


Alex Martin said:
I TOTALLY agree with you. I spent a lot of money buying their stuff... I even bought the live in texas DVD. We, the true LP fans, don't deserve this new pop shit they're making. Hybrid theory and Meteora will always be my favourite albums.
*rolleye* ......... despairing..... There are no true or false LP fans for fuck sake..... Does it make you feel better to spand all your money on that, do you think the band appreciate it more than someone who's gonna take their music (download it illegally), be inspired by it, and do positive things thanks to it? Music is not a fucking product, it's not a question of money!!! Period. It is inspiration, not entertainment.

You people who think you get their music better because you buy it all are dumb. You respect the band that's for sure. Buying music is a mark of respect, but it doesn't mean you're better or worst than anyone else.....



Alex Martin said:
I TOTALLY agree with you. I spent a lot of money buying their stuff... I even bought the live in texas DVD. We, the true LP fans, don't deserve this new pop shit they're making. Hybrid theory and Meteora will always be my favourite albums.
well, i think they might just be trying to do something different... But there are a couple good songs on it. if u don't like it u could always just still listen to minutes to midnight or hybrid theory cuz LP still rocks!
I hope that this new album is not the style that they will stay with. This album is not bad but totally not my taste all forms of Rock is gone! There is only one song what sounds like rock and that is blackout, but compared what Linkin Park can do that really is weak.

I still love their old stuff there is no day going bye without me listening to songs like Numb, In the end, Breaking the Habit, Somehwere I Belong and One step closer.

Hopefully this whas only a try and they are going back to the rock singing cause else my interest in their songs is going to fade.
I agree, but blackout don't sounds like rock... it has a lot of shouts, but that doesn't mean that it is a rock song, because it doesn't have guitars, and is so electronic, but I don't wanna fight... but in my opinion, burning in the skies is the song that sounds more rock than the others... and it's true, the album is nice, but they can do some very much better... however is imposible, for me, do something better than meteora, haha (the best album in the world)

Martijn de Vette said:
I hope that this new album is not the style that they will stay with. This album is not bad but totally not my taste all forms of Rock is gone! There is only one song what sounds like rock and that is blackout, but compared what Linkin Park can do that really is weak.

I still love their old stuff there is no day going bye without me listening to songs like Numb, In the end, Breaking the Habit, Somehwere I Belong and One step closer.

Hopefully this whas only a try and they are going back to the rock singing cause else my interest in their songs is going to fade.
Hybrid Theory and Meteora were really good but in my opinion, A Thousand suns is also very good! Even if its completely differant, i still like it ;)
This guy hit the nail on the head. I totally agree!!!!!!!!!! Gosh, you must be a psychic or something, reading my damn mind.


Cillian said:
I'll preface this with a bit of my own LP history:
I've been a huge LP fan since late 2000, a while after HT (solid record, but put on the "untouchable-pedestal" by many) came out. First saw the OSC video, was hooked and my musical awakening began. That's almost 10 years ago, I was 12.

10 years on, many bands listened to (favourites being Metallica, Tool, Opeth, Joe Satriani, Rodrigo Y Gabriela, John Butler Trio, Apocalyptica, Led Zeppelin, Christy Moore, Puscifer, APC) and I think ATS is hands down the best record LP have released.
And before some jackass pipes up with "SHEEP!" I'll state that I think Meteora is a terrible album. Overproduced & overwritten to death. Same simple 3 minute perfect-for-radio structure over and over. Vague, cliché lyrics that just say the same thing over and over. Yeah, it sounds good due to glossy productio, but it's actually badly written.
It's LP's biggest mistake. I say that because instead of actually furthering their songwriting skills they caved to pressure from the Suits and wrote a record to the Record Labels criteria. They tried to capture what HT was (& failed, even regressed), & thus cementing in some peoples minds an idea of what LP is supposed to be but which is ultimately false.

I have no love for Colision Course either.

MTM was about half & half in terms of well written vs poorly written. WID, Given Up, very poor songs. TLTGYA, HHH - fantastic songs. The spirit of the latter being what I was hoping they'd take forward, & and thankfully they did.

The songwriting on ATS is just superior start to finish (though I still think TLTGYA is the best single song they've written). Creative structures & sounds (that's not even debateable BTW), solid lyrics across the board except for a bit here & there but LP have never been master lyricists. The album just flows start to finish. It's a very natural progression from HT and Renimation. It's pure LP, there's pretty much no outside influence. In other words it's the complete opposite of Meteora.

Who cares if there's no heavy guitars? Seriously. Heavy does not automatically equal good, though judging from many posts here that's exactly what some of you think.

Make no mistake, I am not claiming ATS is the best album ever. It's not perfect and there are several albums from other bands I'd take over it, I'm saying it's the best LP album.

I'm also not putting this post down as a blanket statement for anyone who doesn't like the ATS. Not liking it is completely fine, it's not going to be for everyone. It's aimed at the "OMG this isn't Meteora so it sucks!" crowd that seems to be rampant on this board.

Pixie Ray said:

Has anyone read the interview they did with Kerrang in the Aug 28th, issue 1327? Please, before passing any judgement on my post READ IT. Yes, I am dissapointed in the new album but hey I can get over it and hope and pray they are going to go back to their old stuff on their next album. What has REALLY PISSED ME OFF is that article. Basically, it makes it sound like they stuck their fingers up at their fans.

No no no, you're all wrong there dude. They flipped off the "fans" who think the fact they bought a CD or gig ticket that they can dictate to the band what kind of music they should be writing. Reading your post, you would fall into that category.

They wanted to do something different and couldn't give a shit what anyone else thought.

Damn straight, & more power too them. They shouldn't give a shit what the fans want them to write. If you like it good, enjoy the ride while it lasts. If you don't like it fine, you can get off whenever you want.

That really upset me. After all, without their fans where the hell would they be?

This is the attitude that I find mindboggling.
It doesn't matter and it's very arrogant to assume you can hold the "where would you be without us" card over their head to try to control them. They can and do show their appreciation in other ways.

If you became a fan when they were doing what they wanted, why should they stop doing what they want after that point? To keep you spending money on them?
If you answered "Yes" to that then you actually want them to sell out. That's "sell out" in it's true form -- The sacrifice of artistic integrity for monetary gain.

Yes, you are the artists and should be allowed to do what you like with your music. But shouldn't they also consider others, especially their fans when they are the ones supporting them, listening to them, cheering them on?

No! They shouldn't consider anyone else. At all. And that paragraph is totally contradictory. "Yeah, do what you want, just as long as it's what I want you to do."

Buying their CD doesn't give you an in to tell them what to do, nor does it obligate the band to cater to your whims.
Full stop. Period. End of fucking story.

Instead, they sounded like selfish egotistical twats that wanted to do what they wanted to do and couldn't give a shit on what others thought.

They must be selfish and controlling if they want this kind of career, otherwise they'll have other people (fans, The Label) interfering at every turn and the end piece will not accurately represent them *cough* Meteora *cough*.

At one point they said they wanted to get away from the Linkin Park persona as much as possible. Why??? That is who they are! Thats what the fans frickin love!! Thats what brought out this new genre of music all those years ago. I dont understand why they are ashamed.

1. No, they want to get away from what some people think is LP's persona. Big difference.
2. Again no. It's part of who they are. Not the entirety of who they are.
3. That's what some fans love. I for one value artistic integrity and pushing the envelope over keeping the fans happy. es, even if that means they write stuff I don't like. As long as it's from their heart I'll respect it.
4. Linkin Park did NOT bring about that genre. It already existed.
5. They are NOT ashamed of their past records and they state this continuously in their interviews. It's as simple as the old style presents no challenge and is very boring for them to write.

----------------------------
I'll pose a question to everyone clamouring for LP to go back to writing their old stuff:

Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Do you do all the same things? Think the same things? View the world in EXACTLY the same way?

If you answered "yes" then I'm very sad that you have not managed any personal growth in all that time.

If you answered "no", then why the hell do you expect anyone else to? Let alone a group of people who have travelled the world several times having many experiences, both together and individually?

I am planning on writing an article about this. Would anyone object me taking some of their comments as quotes? And if you have anything else to add feel free. I'm not here to piss anyone off and bitch out Linkin Park, I'm still a fan, still love them, just hope to God they show SOME appreciation towards us and get their head out of the clouds.

The only people with their head in the clouds are people like you who think Mike should ring them up and ask how you want the next batch of songs to be constructed, and then take it as a personal affront when that doesn't happen. And then have the arrogance & hypocrisy to call the band "selfish, egotistical twats".

This is why I don't come here very often. And if this is where the LPU is headed.... yeesh.

Thank Jesus, Allah, Buddah AND Superman for the LPA, LPL, etc.

Dude, I agree 99% of what you had to say there. But Meteora, and this is now my opinion (in case some people jump in saying "Yeah, he never said that, blah, blah, blah") was a step up in many ways from HT. I do think the only reason they did it was because they gave in to their record label and fans', like some of the neanderthalic hypocrits on here, demands. BUT I personally loved the album, and it is possibly MY favourite LP album. I respect your view, however, you are right, if they produced two more 'Nu-metal' (as they have been-unjustfully labeled) albums, and it meant songs like Shadow of The Day and Bleed It Out, Waiting For the End, Burning in The Skies, etc, were never to be, I would be upset. They made the right decision, finding stratospheric fame through HT and Meteora, so they could build a fan base as big as the one they have, and then show what they are truly made of creatively.
This was actually supposed to be a reply to Cillian but I'm retarded and clicked the wrong person, sorry (N)

Storm_Rider00 said:
This guy hit the nail on the head. I totally agree!!!!!!!!!! Gosh, you must be a psychic or something, reading my damn mind.


Cillian said:
I'll preface this with a bit of my own LP history:
I've been a huge LP fan since late 2000, a while after HT (solid record, but put on the "untouchable-pedestal" by many) came out. First saw the OSC video, was hooked and my musical awakening began. That's almost 10 years ago, I was 12.

10 years on, many bands listened to (favourites being Metallica, Tool, Opeth, Joe Satriani, Rodrigo Y Gabriela, John Butler Trio, Apocalyptica, Led Zeppelin, Christy Moore, Puscifer, APC) and I think ATS is hands down the best record LP have released.
And before some jackass pipes up with "SHEEP!" I'll state that I think Meteora is a terrible album. Overproduced & overwritten to death. Same simple 3 minute perfect-for-radio structure over and over. Vague, cliché lyrics that just say the same thing over and over. Yeah, it sounds good due to glossy productio, but it's actually badly written.
It's LP's biggest mistake. I say that because instead of actually furthering their songwriting skills they caved to pressure from the Suits and wrote a record to the Record Labels criteria. They tried to capture what HT was (& failed, even regressed), & thus cementing in some peoples minds an idea of what LP is supposed to be but which is ultimately false.

I have no love for Colision Course either.

MTM was about half & half in terms of well written vs poorly written. WID, Given Up, very poor songs. TLTGYA, HHH - fantastic songs. The spirit of the latter being what I was hoping they'd take forward, & and thankfully they did.

The songwriting on ATS is just superior start to finish (though I still think TLTGYA is the best single song they've written). Creative structures & sounds (that's not even debateable BTW), solid lyrics across the board except for a bit here & there but LP have never been master lyricists. The album just flows start to finish. It's a very natural progression from HT and Renimation. It's pure LP, there's pretty much no outside influence. In other words it's the complete opposite of Meteora.

Who cares if there's no heavy guitars? Seriously. Heavy does not automatically equal good, though judging from many posts here that's exactly what some of you think.

Make no mistake, I am not claiming ATS is the best album ever. It's not perfect and there are several albums from other bands I'd take over it, I'm saying it's the best LP album.

I'm also not putting this post down as a blanket statement for anyone who doesn't like the ATS. Not liking it is completely fine, it's not going to be for everyone. It's aimed at the "OMG this isn't Meteora so it sucks!" crowd that seems to be rampant on this board.

Pixie Ray said:

Has anyone read the interview they did with Kerrang in the Aug 28th, issue 1327? Please, before passing any judgement on my post READ IT. Yes, I am dissapointed in the new album but hey I can get over it and hope and pray they are going to go back to their old stuff on their next album. What has REALLY PISSED ME OFF is that article. Basically, it makes it sound like they stuck their fingers up at their fans.

No no no, you're all wrong there dude. They flipped off the "fans" who think the fact they bought a CD or gig ticket that they can dictate to the band what kind of music they should be writing. Reading your post, you would fall into that category.

They wanted to do something different and couldn't give a shit what anyone else thought.

Damn straight, & more power too them. They shouldn't give a shit what the fans want them to write. If you like it good, enjoy the ride while it lasts. If you don't like it fine, you can get off whenever you want.

That really upset me. After all, without their fans where the hell would they be?

This is the attitude that I find mindboggling.
It doesn't matter and it's very arrogant to assume you can hold the "where would you be without us" card over their head to try to control them. They can and do show their appreciation in other ways.

If you became a fan when they were doing what they wanted, why should they stop doing what they want after that point? To keep you spending money on them?
If you answered "Yes" to that then you actually want them to sell out. That's "sell out" in it's true form -- The sacrifice of artistic integrity for monetary gain.

Yes, you are the artists and should be allowed to do what you like with your music. But shouldn't they also consider others, especially their fans when they are the ones supporting them, listening to them, cheering them on?

No! They shouldn't consider anyone else. At all. And that paragraph is totally contradictory. "Yeah, do what you want, just as long as it's what I want you to do."

Buying their CD doesn't give you an in to tell them what to do, nor does it obligate the band to cater to your whims.
Full stop. Period. End of fucking story.

Instead, they sounded like selfish egotistical twats that wanted to do what they wanted to do and couldn't give a shit on what others thought.

They must be selfish and controlling if they want this kind of career, otherwise they'll have other people (fans, The Label) interfering at every turn and the end piece will not accurately represent them *cough* Meteora *cough*.

At one point they said they wanted to get away from the Linkin Park persona as much as possible. Why??? That is who they are! Thats what the fans frickin love!! Thats what brought out this new genre of music all those years ago. I dont understand why they are ashamed.

1. No, they want to get away from what some people think is LP's persona. Big difference.
2. Again no. It's part of who they are. Not the entirety of who they are.
3. That's what some fans love. I for one value artistic integrity and pushing the envelope over keeping the fans happy. es, even if that means they write stuff I don't like. As long as it's from their heart I'll respect it.
4. Linkin Park did NOT bring about that genre. It already existed.
5. They are NOT ashamed of their past records and they state this continuously in their interviews. It's as simple as the old style presents no challenge and is very boring for them to write.

----------------------------
I'll pose a question to everyone clamouring for LP to go back to writing their old stuff:

Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Do you do all the same things? Think the same things? View the world in EXACTLY the same way?

If you answered "yes" then I'm very sad that you have not managed any personal growth in all that time.

If you answered "no", then why the hell do you expect anyone else to? Let alone a group of people who have travelled the world several times having many experiences, both together and individually?

I am planning on writing an article about this. Would anyone object me taking some of their comments as quotes? And if you have anything else to add feel free. I'm not here to piss anyone off and bitch out Linkin Park, I'm still a fan, still love them, just hope to God they show SOME appreciation towards us and get their head out of the clouds.

The only people with their head in the clouds are people like you who think Mike should ring them up and ask how you want the next batch of songs to be constructed, and then take it as a personal affront when that doesn't happen. And then have the arrogance & hypocrisy to call the band "selfish, egotistical twats".

This is why I don't come here very often. And if this is where the LPU is headed.... yeesh.

Thank Jesus, Allah, Buddah AND Superman for the LPA, LPL, etc.

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