I hope this won't get censored, cause what i am about to say, could be quite a hit in the face to some Linkin Park fans or, if they even care, for Linkin Park themselve.


I have listened to Linkin Park for 9 Years now. While the first four to five years it was Linkin Park almost exclusively i moved on after having excessively listend to every snippet I could get of them. I still listen to them sometimes, when new stuff is coming out or just to remember the "old days". 

Linkin Park has never been one of these bands who come and go fast. Although beeing pretty mainstream they kept developing musically, also apart from their music, for example dome design-projects and of course designing everything themselves. 

But still it is no question Linkin Park has never been groundbreaking or musically advanced as other musicians like let's say The Beatles. Why compare them to The Beatles? Well there are many sophisticated musicians, but of course everyone has his own preference. Still almost everyone will agree, The Beatles were groundbreaking and musically sophisticated. It's not like I want Linkin Park to be more like the Beatles but as I moved on to other Artists I asked myself, why doesn't Linkin Park doesn't make better music? What I listen to now is Tom Waits, Peter Gabriel, Adam Green, The Beatles, Jaques Brel, Regina Spektor, to name my favorites. 

What do these Artists give me what Linkin Park does not have? Its not only the kind of music that is different, it also is the character is has, the feeling it transports, the fusion of lyrics, voices and instruments that get something right Linkin Park doesn't. 

But why have I, arrogantly watching my past favorite, not turned my back on them, and why do I still hope maybe they would evolve and improve. They have improved, Minutes to Midnight is an improvement for me but what im talking about is somethig more, signs of musical genius. The reason I still have not given up my hope is because they have already shown that, glimpses of it, they have show, they have the potential for musical genius in them but it is hard to find. 


Examples:

- Kenji (Shinoda)

- Session(Hahn)

- High Voltage/Dedicated (especially the drums)

- Leave out all the rest(Verse)

- P5hng Me A*wy (electronic fusion)


Most of the time Mike Shinoda was strongly involved, also Hahn, the drums also had some big scenes. Linkin Park has pretty good versse from time to time too. Leave out all the rest, Crawling, Somewhere I belong, its always Chester, who has a voice I cant complain about at all. But a good voice is not everything. Other Artists who dont sing better technically, still do it better. Why? It is because they can offer more behind their voice. I good verse is not only a beautifully sung verse, it has lyrics that get a complex message to the point in simple but elegant words, pronounced appropriately and filled with deep meaning acoustically which is only possible if the vocalist has a deep understanding of what he is singing and - best case - the idiomatic skill to have written the lyrics by himself.  

Chester has a beautiful voice but he always seems to me to only express his feelings superficially. He has grown up under difficult circumstances and the lyrics seem to express much of it but he has never sung about some kind of conclusion, an understanding he has gotten in spite of people who do not know his situation first hand. Something more than just telling, what he feels but also what he thinks about it. I cant claim him doing it. Its his decision  - or maybe its not. Maybe he cant express what he thinks about it intellectually. This is what I think. Chester Bennington is a weak spot of Linkin Park because he hardly developes. Actually from HT to MTM he has hardly improved. Not technically, but he was good there anyway but neither in the subtle skill to express a message perfectly acoustically.

While Shinoda doesnt sing as well technically he pronounces his character in a song better when (rarely) he sings than Chester(f.e P5hng Me A*wy live). This becomes really obvious when he raps. On his solo song Kenji he finds just the right words to perfectly construct the scenes his grandparents experienced during World War 2, the atmosphere and psychological situation of the people. Also Cigarettes and Right Now are pretty well concerning 'authenticity' and originality.  

Chester has never been a really good songwriter. It was alright in the past but he doensnt keep up with Mike. His solo album was not too bad but it was not creative at all. 


So what I feel about Linkin Park when Im looking forward is more the Shinoda-Linkin Park, and when I doubt their potential its more the Chester-Linkin Park.  

I wouldnt say they should get rid of Chester, he is a part of the whole thing and I dont know if they would keep up as a band without Chester although Im sure MIke would do something on his own. 


But I have a strong feeling Chester holds LP back from where it could go with somebody more qualified.


I excited to see if A Thousand Suns will (hopefully) prove different.


Please excuse my own idiomatic missteps because im German.

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2 be honest w/ u, idk wut ur complaining about. if u dont like LP, then dont listen 2 them. if u do, ok gr8. just stop complaining 4 sumthing stupid like this. so there.
It's not a cmplain, its a critique. You might be different but I think about the music I listen to and also wonder what makes some music more appealing or complex than other instead of just beeing able to say: do like/dont like.
I also do this with music I prefer to LP.

And I dont know whats the point of just posting if I wanted to say how amazing or awsome LP is. This is not somekind of a worshipping platform or a place where only a "positive" discussion is allowed like the "positive" discussion in China about politics, because you get in jail if you admit not liking the communist goverment.
Although im new to LP i can totally agree with you! There a lot of songs that sound really samey and safe for their fans and they just lap up the same 'old' stuff. Can't understand how artists do that but it seems to me lacking creativity or even doing it for the money sticking to the 'winning formula'.

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Here is the thing. If you hate Linkin Park then don't listen to them and stop the complaining. And Chester is not the weak point of Linkin Park. As a Matter of Fact Chester and Shinoda are the most important members in Linkin Park and wth do you mean by developing. Humans don't develop unless it is an embryo you idiot. Shinoda never developed but instead his raps change a little bit. Brad Never develop cuz the solos where just to prove to the critics that says he can't play the guitar good that he is good. Rob still has the same drumming style since drumming can't really change. Mr Hahn still has the famous sick scratches (although they are a little bit less than usual) that are better than any other DJ's scratching and his directing for Music Videos is still sick..as a matter of fact, it is a million times better now. Pheonix still has the same style cuz idk how the hell can he change the bass style unless he invents a new instrument. And right now you are asking Chester to change his style and he really did. When he changed his rich screaming style that made the fans fall in love with Linkin Park to the new calm singing like you are asking, everyone started criticizing it saying it is bad and the old style is better and i bet you said that when a thousand suns came out so stop with the effecing complaining. Chester's screams are legendary and is a thousand times better than metallica's screaming or any other metal band screaming and should get an award and Shinoda's rapping...welll idk what to say other than it blows away eminem's rapping by a thousand miles. Linkin Park is a Legend and the first band that succeeded to mix guitar soloing with drum soloing and rapping and metal screaming at the same time so whoever says he is a Linkin Park fan and doesn't like the new style is basically a phony.

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Well you are so stupid and anti-open minded it wouldn't make sense explaining anything to you any further. For you LP is like a God - infallible, invincible.


Michael Schumacher said:
Well you are so stupid and anti-open minded it wouldn't make sense explaining anything to you any further. For you LP is like a God - infallible, invincible.

I ain't anti-open minded. I am just saying the truth not hating on Linkin Park. I am also saying my opinion so stop hating on Linkin Park. If you don't like Linkin Park then don't listne to their music and keep your opinion to yourself because trust me if a member of the LPU fan club reads this you will get *Effed* up. For example, Everyone who likes metal just loves Nirvana, Metallica, and System of a Down and i like metal and i like all of the bands but I don't like System of a Down cuz that's just my opinion so i keep it to myself instead of going to their website and posting a hate/rant threat or going to their songs on youtube and just saying they suck cuz that's me.

BTW HAHA you had like 1 step till the world cup then you collapsed HAHA it's funny.
I actually signed up on this board just to say this. Even if it won't make any kind of difference, I couldn't not say it.

The collaboration and musical brotherhood of Chester and Mike has been the defining quality of Linkin Park since day 1. The way they so effortlessly mesh despite their different stylings is what drew most fans in, and is what has kept fans (like you) for a decade. Other bands have attempted a similar concept both before and after Linkin Park, but it's quite hard to argue that any of them have been as successful or lasting.

I think for the most part, Mike and Chester compose lyrics together, and they go through a very specific critical process to accomplish those lyrics. So to say that Chester hasn't grown or improved in any way over the last 9 years, but to say that Mike has, seems very short-sighted to me. I feel the band as a whole has evolved, and that if it isn't evident to the average fan, then they are missing a very big picture, aesthetically and intellectually. There has been a definite maturity in recent years of both Chester's physical voice and lyrical delivery. How much influence Mike has had on that, I couldn't say for sure, but knowing how closely they work together on the music, I'd have to say that one could not grow without the other.

I strongly believe that if you took either Mike or Chester out of the equation, you simply wouldn't have Linkin Park. And if you appreciate either one more than the other, they have solo projects for you to enjoy.
Smart move, Elizabeth. They are dooing pretty good at having dual vocals compared to everything else there is. But honestly, what is there? Nothing. On an absolute scale there are not that impressing anymore. I still think they are doing good, it's not the composition of their vocals that bothers me, its the way Chester expresses his lyrics vocally. He had a lot of very bright moments, but all in all it happens rather seldom. I like alot of The Rising Tied, but I want a Chester on the level of his bright moments combined in a song or even an album, together with Mike. It wouldnt be the same as any Solo-Project.

And one more thing: I do NOT hate Linkin Park. I just like to critically, critical in a positive way, observe everything I like.

I'm sure you'd find many songs that are alltogether bright, but thats your opinion, I guess I'm little demanding.
I 100% agree with Elizabeth. You can not remove a either from Linkin Park or you won't have Linkin Park. And Michael, so you basically want Chester to rap? That was the main reason of forming Linkin Park. combining the rap of Mike with the metal screaming of Chester to create a Nu Metal Band. If you just think Chester's metal-singing is bad, then you should criticize every metal Band out there.


Michael Schumacher said:
Smart move, Elizabeth. They are dooing pretty good at having dual vocals compared to everything else there is. But honestly, what is there? Nothing. On an absolute scale there are not that impressing anymore. I still think they are doing good, it's not the composition of their vocals that bothers me, its the way Chester expresses his lyrics vocally. He had a lot of very bright moments, but all in all it happens rather seldom. I like alot of The Rising Tied, but I want a Chester on the level of his bright moments combined in a song or even an album, together with Mike. It wouldnt be the same as any Solo-Project.

And one more thing: I do NOT hate Linkin Park. I just like to critically, critical in a positive way, observe everything I like.

I'm sure you'd find many songs that are alltogether bright, but thats your opinion, I guess I'm little demanding.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to a matter of opinion and personal taste. It is my opinion that Chester has grown and improved as far as vocalizing lyrics. For me, this is especially seen in newer songs ranging from The Little Things Give You Away and Valentine's Day to Blackout, Wretches and Kings, and The Messenger. I'm sure I could give better examples, but those are what jumped to mind. He's definitely doing some things differently, just not in the same manner as Mike is. But both are growing together, and it's evident in the new music for me. The music still hits me on an emotional level - Chester's vocals still hit me on an emotional level, whether he's expressing rage or sadness, or hope. It's because of that, that I know he's still doing something right, and some things even better than before.

On an absolute scale, I happen to think they have taken leaps and bounds in some areas, musically. They've created a much deeper sound, something that verges on epic here and there - a space they never quite reached with Hybrid Theory and Meteora (however fond I am of those albums). They've widened their scope considerably. When they want to, they can create this HUGE, ENCOMPASSING sound. Again, it might come down to personal taste, but I find it baffling that one couldn't recognize that...specifically towards the end of The Catalyst...which is why I think they made an expert move selecting that as a first single.

I don't have anything against one being critical of the things they love, god knows I can be the same way. In fact, the new album is something I had to get used to after a few listens, and then eventually I grew to love it. Despite that love, there are still a few tracks on A Thousand Suns I do not appreciate as much, or even feel could have been done better in specific ways. Yeah I find some songs 'altogether bright'. I also find a few very average, below the bar LP has set for themselves. I don't think Linkin Park is a perfect band. They are capable of creative misdirection just like any other artist. I do, however, think they are a very GOOD band. One of the best out there, BECAUSE of (at least for me) Mike and Chester as a vocal unit, and the emotional range they can evoke within people using this method.
You don't seem to sense any kind of subtle differences, the way you argue nothing better can be hoped for


Michael Schumacher said:
You don't seem to sense any kind of subtle differences, the way you argue nothing better can be hoped for

Ah, he who argues for the sake of arguing and not to gain perspective or hear other opinions that his initial argument demanded. There is little hope for you too, my stubborn friend.

You've somehow managed to miss my point entirely. Which is alright, because I agree to absolutely disagree.

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