Just heard the snippet for wretches and kinds, and really heard that LP energy from "old school" LP, It was better than Hybrid and Meteora 

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Problem is Linkin Park was never Green Day. Also he can comment about Green Day all he wants, it's a free forum if he dislikes them he can voice their opinion.

Linkin Park forever said:
Andra Lazarevic said:
But realistically, MTM does mostly hold the same formula that made LP's nu-metal children so popular, but only in a more mainstream way. I was shocked with how much it sounded like Green Day and shit, and pissed with how many people actually compared the two. I think Frederic Evans makes a great point with Peppers: they have matured over the years and made different music, but kept their signature style, as opposed to LP who had completely changed their DNA. At first I thought MTM was made just to join the mainstream and sell more records, and was actually happy with that. That meant I could pray that MTM doesn't sell as well as the previous two, in which case LP would realise what prings the big bucks and make another album which I would orgasm upon hearing. My wish did come true, but...
Then came the Catalyst.
It is clear that they have stayed the same (MTM same) which reopens the "why they changed" question. And I think it became clear that they HAVE changed personally, and, alas, that leaves no hope. They have become what they've become, and there's nothing left to do now but to buy a Slipknot album.
Oh, almost forgot... Hate it.

Shut Up about Green Day. Green Day is an awsome band with amaysing songs. If u don't like them. Ok. Dont care. Green Day has made awsome songs. Their is nothing wrong with comparing Linkin Park to Green Day. I've seen people compare Linkin Park to bands like Three Days Grace, Metalica, Eminem. Hollywood undead, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Disturbed and Alot more. People compare Linkin Park to crappy bands like the Jonas Brothers (which i think is retarded but I don;t say something like that on a forum). If you don't like Green Day, dont bother to coment about them.
I've never heard them compared to freaken jonas brothas lol
I dont like it
You know, I always liked both rap and rock. I can see how the reduction and even elimination of the rap element might make some people angry. You can always go find Fort Minor and hear Mike rap it out. To me this stuff just means they've decided to lean towards a rock sound, and I'm ok with that. You have to admit the transition was smooth.
This is a great song, even though I don't like what they did with the voice effects. I wouldn't call it an electric thing as much as a Linkin Park thing. If you go listen to bunch of their older stuff you'll find a few songs that have that electric sound. They've always been good at changing their sound. Hell, I wouldn't even really call them rock. They still carry that unique sound that defines them. So all-in-all, I wouldn't condem the whole album because this song is in doubt. I wouldn't condem Linkin Park cuz they changed their focus, either.
But please remember that these are all opinions that I expect other people to try and blow up or ignore in the forum. So have at it already.
Not one of their best singles, but I like it.
After my initial negative reaction to the Catalyst, I thought I would give it a chance maybe it will grow on me with time, well I have listened on my Ipod and guess what, my view has not changed. I have tried to open my mind to it, and I still do not like it!
I'm no Mo, but not only is The Catalyst the best Linkin Park song in years, the vocal that starts 'Lift me up....let me go...' is one of the most beautiful vocals I've heard on record.
I love The Catalyst!
On the other hand, I am a Linkin Park fan since 2003 and in this year the metal on their music was more caractheristic than in MTM e ATS for sure. Maybe I become fan of LP 'cause mix of the sounds make me feel curious. That's just a detail, but I won't lie to myself and never wish the metal come back again, because is that I want.
In while, I am anxious to enjoy the new songs of LP.
Here is the truth behind both Linkin Park and Green Day.

Linkin Park started as band who wanted to create music that was their own. They wanted people to identify their music as Linkin Park. Not nu metal or rap rock. They wrote Hybrid Theory. They never wanted to go mainstreet. If they did. They wouldn't mind. They then wrote Meteora. They did change a little bit. But musically the band was the same. When Minutes to Midnight came. They said that they have matured and they think diffrently. They were still LP but had changed their music. They said that they wern't doing HT and Metora anymore. THey wanted to explore new genres. They never wanted to go mainstreet. People should stop fucken saying that. Now, they are doing the same with A Thousand Suns. They think diffrently now. They want to try something new. I personaly hate the new single. THough I will decide if the album is good or bad when I here the rest.

Now about Green Day.
Green Day stated their started as a punk band. They wanted to join the punk scene. Their first two albums started their carrer and they got recodnized. They then released dookie. Their album was what made them join the punk scene. The folow up albums to dookie, they continued their punk genre but explored new genres two. Then came American Idiot. Now the band wanted to do something new. They wanted to create an epic record. They didnt want to be part of the punk scene anymore. They wanted to do something new. This led to the creation of American Idiot. Then came their most recent album. 21st Century Breakdown. They now wanted to do something new again. This is how 21stCB came to be.

My point is, bands mature. Their thoughts change. So they create new music. Both Linkin Park and Green Day NEVER wanted to go mainstreet. Their musical thoughs just changed.

Also, People don't compare LP's and GD's music. They just ask which band do they think is better. Linkin Park and Green Day share a lot of fans. Green Day and Linkin Park's music can't be compared. They are two diffrent genres.

Also, both bands wanted to change their sound. Why? because they matured. Their not the only band to do that.

Both bands try to please their fans or gain new ones. They do not expect everyone to like their music.

People wrealy need to shut up and leave this all to rest.
Stop telling people to shut up, you have no right to everyone can share their opinion just as you have.

Now... I've listened to The catalyst again, and I've change my opinion on it. I dont really "like" it, but it's okay. I still hear a bit of LP in it... It's like a clash between Meteora and M2M but more M2M...


Your opinion is not what LP has done. It's an opinion... Unless the band themselves came up and said "hey this is what happened" you have no right to speak for them. Also I find that little "note to the fans" thing inside the cover to M2M to be BS...


As I've said plenty of times before there's a way to try new music, and to change your sound.

LP and GD are similar in What they did, Punk was dying(well atleast blink-182 style punk) Nu-Metal is dying...
Greenday needed to change themselves to continue making money... LP felt they needed to change themselves to keep making money.

They both change their images, logos, artwork, sound and style...

They both make money off the hipsters at starbucks with their macbooks who think they are hip because they are listening to the newest LP album or GD album...

Seriously Dude, they want to change themselves and do new things... change your name, create a new project. LP changed their identity and sold it as their original identity. Get where people have problems with this? If you told me back when meteora came out that LP was gonna make "the catalyst": I would have laughed my butt off and told you LP was all about the music and they would never change themselves like that.


But then came Minutes to Midnight. I picked it up, and was excited to hear some new LP. Something different, but still held true to what they were prior to. I listened, and I smiled... but over time my smile turned into a frown... I respect the songs on the album... But the lyricism they claimed to be "matured" seemed to deteriorate. Anyone remember QWERTY? When that first leaked I said WOAH this is different, but I like it... It was pretty different from everything done before... sounded more like Korn than anything, maybe even a touch of Mushroomhead... Very Heavy and the edge was stronger than anything on Meteora, it was almost Hardcore ... I still heard and felt LP... I was thinking that it would reflect the new album, Boy was I surprised.

Either way I will still stand by my argument that a band can change, mature and try new music without throwing out their style... Just like RHCP.






I understand the band wanted change... but WTF?




Linkin Park forever said:
Here is the truth behind both Linkin Park and Green Day.

Linkin Park started as band who wanted to create music that was their own. They wanted people to identify their music as Linkin Park. Not nu metal or rap rock. They wrote Hybrid Theory. They never wanted to go mainstreet. If they did. They wouldn't mind. They then wrote Meteora. They did change a little bit. But musically the band was the same. When Minutes to Midnight came. They said that they have matured and they think diffrently. They were still LP but had changed their music. They said that they wern't doing HT and Metora anymore. THey wanted to explore new genres. They never wanted to go mainstreet. People should stop fucken saying that. Now, they are doing the same with A Thousand Suns. They think diffrently now. They want to try something new. I personaly hate the new single. THough I will decide if the album is good or bad when I here the rest.

Now about Green Day.
Green Day stated their started as a punk band. They wanted to join the punk scene. Their first two albums started their carrer and they got recodnized. They then released dookie. Their album was what made them join the punk scene. The folow up albums to dookie, they continued their punk genre but explored new genres two. Then came American Idiot. Now the band wanted to do something new. They wanted to create an epic record. They didnt want to be part of the punk scene anymore. They wanted to do something new. This led to the creation of American Idiot. Then came their most recent album. 21st Century Breakdown. They now wanted to do something new again. This is how 21stCB came to be.

My point is, bands mature. Their thoughts change. So they create new music. Both Linkin Park and Green Day NEVER wanted to go mainstreet. Their musical thoughs just changed.

Also, People don't compare LP's and GD's music. They just ask which band do they think is better. Linkin Park and Green Day share a lot of fans. Green Day and Linkin Park's music can't be compared. They are two diffrent genres.

Also, both bands wanted to change their sound. Why? because they matured. Their not the only band to do that.

Both bands try to please their fans or gain new ones. They do not expect everyone to like their music.

People wrealy need to shut up and leave this all to rest.
Way I see it, LP was dying. They noticed that more people had liked their newer stuff that had a more heavy rock sound than people who liked the old nu-metal stuff. They decided to "experiment" with this new sound and see where it would take them. If anyone has been paying any attention, you'll notice that this entire album is an test.
Yes, a test. It's more than likley that the one after that is going to go in yet another direction. I'm going to assume that alot of the songs on the ablbum are diffrent with no paticular similarities, and LP is going to check reveiws and see how many people like what songs and why. The album after 1000 Suns is going to be altered yet again.
By changing their sound they are surviving to make music another day. In doing so they are takeing a part of the old LP with them that may reappear some day in the near or distant future.

They said in a interveiw that they would never completly go back to what they were before. They didn't say that they wouldn't do things like what they did before or release music that pulled it's roots from so mentioned older albums, Hybrid Theory (HT) and Meteora. Minutes to Midnight (MTM) was an experiment and so will be 1000 Suns.

(I didn't like MTM and I have doubts about 1000 Suns, but I'm patient. Even you can hope.)
Guys, here is a topic to discuss the new LP song The Catalyst, it was not create to discuss any kind of bands and the preferences of yours. Go create a new discussion to talk about gender or bands or wathever you want.
Thanks.

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